# Research — Gemma 4 E4B 4-bit Quantizations for Panda Nav VLM

**Date:** 2026-04-14 (session 101 research, session 104 benchmark)
**Status:** ✅ Benchmark complete — Q4_K_M measured on Panda
**Driver:** User considering E4B as upgrade over current E2B on Panda nav VLM

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## Measured benchmark results (session 104, 2026-04-14)

**Model:** `unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF` Q4_K_M + mmproj-F16
**Endpoint:** llama.cpp server-cuda on Panda :11437 (temporary container) with `--jinja --ngl 999 --ctx-size 4096`
**Image:** `~/car-view.jpg` (same frame as E2B baseline)
**Method:** stopped Chatterbox + E2B llama-server for the window, ran benchmark, restored all services. End-to-end TTS smoke test confirmed silent-call recovery.

### Latency (nav workload, 99 samples post-warmup, `build_vlm_prompt(goal="something interesting")`, max_tokens=20)

| Metric | E4B Q4_K_M | E2B Q4_K_M baseline | Delta |
|---|---:|---:|---:|
| p50 latency | **47.9 ms** | 18.4 ms | +2.6× |
| p95 latency | 48.6 ms | — | — |
| p99 latency | 49.5 ms | — | — |
| max latency | 49.5 ms | — | — |
| Effective Hz | **20.87** | 54 | 0.39× |
| Prompt tokens (mean) | 371 | ~371 | same |
| Eval tokens (mean) | 3 | 3 | same |
| Tokens/sec | 62.5 | — | — |

### Latency (describe workload, 19 samples post-warmup, "Describe this robot camera image in 2 sentences.", max_tokens=100)

| Metric | E4B Q4_K_M |
|---|---:|
| p50 | 312.1 ms |
| p95 | 386.7 ms |
| p99 | 386.7 ms |
| Prompt tokens | 287 |
| Eval tokens (mean) | 45.5 |
| Tokens/sec | 144.2 |
| Effective Hz | 3.2 |

### Quality

| Dimension | Result |
|---|---|
| Nav schema adherence (strategy-1 or 2) | **99/99 (100%)** |
| Nav parse-strategy histogram | all strategy 1 (exact "POSITION SIZE") |
| `<think>` marker leakage | **0 samples** (`--jinja` + `chat_template_kwargs` path verified) |
| Empty-content samples | 0 |
| Describe output example | *"This image captures an indoor scene featuring a glossy, light green floor in the foreground. In the background, there is a dark wooden dresser or cabinet, partially obscured by a large, light green dr..."* |
| Describe consistency across 20 runs | near-identical (temp=0.1) |

### VRAM footprint

| State | Used by E4B container |
|---|---:|
| Post-load, pre-inference | 4,822 MiB (4.71 GB) |
| After 40 inference runs | 4,874 MiB (4.76 GB) |
| After 139 inference runs | 4,874 MiB (4.76 GB) |

Canonical abort-gate (>8 GB) not approached. Footprint is **~0.8 GB below the plan's predicted 5.5–7.5 GB healthy band** — KV cache at 4K ctx with nav prompts doesn't push the upper bound.

### Adoption decision (per plan's gate)

- ✅ Schema adherence ≥ 95% → met (100%)
- ✅ Describe qualitatively better than E2B → yes (specific + accurate scene description; E2B tends toward action-only noun dumps)
- ⚠ VRAM in 5.5–7.5 GB band → 4.76 GB, *below* band but under abort line; plan's lower bound was conservative
- ℹ Latency not a gate (user direction, session 103)

**Recommendation:** E4B Q4_K_M is viable for Panda nav deployment. Speed halves (54→20 Hz) but 20 Hz is still well within nav latency budget (plan's earlier 10 Hz floor). Quality is measurably better. No blockers identified.

### Raw JSON outputs

- `benchmark-results/e4b-2026-04-14/gemma4-e4b-q4km-nav-20260414_164903.json` (nav 20 samples)
- `benchmark-results/e4b-2026-04-14/gemma4-e4b-q4km-nav-20260414_164940.json` (nav 100 samples — canonical)
- `benchmark-results/e4b-2026-04-14/gemma4-e4b-q4km-describe-20260414_164919.json` (describe 20 samples)

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## Measured benchmark results — Beast (session 105, 2026-04-15)

**Hardware:** Beast (NVIDIA GB10 Superchip, aarch64, SM_121, 128 GB unified memory, CUDA 13.0, driver 580.142)
**Model:** identical (`unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF` Q4_K_M + mmproj-F16, weights scp'd from Panda)
**Endpoint:** `ghcr.io/ggml-org/llama.cpp:server-cuda` arm64 variant on :11437, same flags as Panda (`--jinja --ngl 999 --ctx-size 4096 --host 127.0.0.1`)
**Image:** identical `~/car-view.jpg` (scp'd from Panda, same frame used in session 104)
**Preparation:** stopped `vllm-nemotron-super` container (retired per user, session 105) to free 92 GB VRAM

### Head-to-head: Beast vs Panda (Q4_K_M, same image, same prompt, same container)

| Metric | Panda (RTX 5070 Ti, discrete 16 GB GDDR7) | Beast (GB10, 128 GB unified LPDDR5X) | Beast/Panda |
|---|---:|---:|---:|
| Nav p50 (99 samples) | 47.9 ms | **91.3 ms** | 1.91× slower |
| Nav p95 | 48.6 ms | 101.2 ms | 2.08× slower |
| Nav p99 | 49.5 ms | 101.4 ms | 2.05× slower |
| Nav effective Hz | 20.87 | 10.95 | 0.52× |
| Nav tok/s | 62.5 | 31.9 | 0.51× |
| Nav schema adherence | 99/99 (100%) | 99/99 (100%) | same |
| `<think>` leakage | 0 | 0 | same (`--jinja` wired) |
| Describe p50 (19 samples) | 312.1 ms | 826.0 ms | 2.65× slower |
| Describe p95 | 386.7 ms | **2177.8 ms** | 5.63× slower (long tail) |
| Describe tok/s | 144.2 | 53.5 | 0.37× |
| Describe p95/p50 spread | 1.24× | 2.64× | tail is 2.1× worse on Beast |
| Cold-start first-sample latency | ~300 ms | **~25,800 ms** | 86× slower |
| Live VRAM (GPU-reported, post-load) | 4,822 MiB | 5,501 MiB | +0.6 GB |

### Key findings

1. **Beast is ~2× slower than Panda for this workload.** Consistent across nav (p50 1.91×, tok/s 0.51×) and describe (p50 2.65×). Schema quality identical (100% on both).

2. **Root cause is memory bandwidth, not compute.** Small quantized models are bandwidth-bound. Panda's GDDR7 on a discrete GPU (~896 GB/s theoretical) beats Beast's LPDDR5X unified memory (~546 GB/s theoretical). The 0.5× tok/s ratio ≈ the 0.61× bandwidth ratio — consistent story.

3. **Unified memory has a 25-second cold-start penalty.** First inference on Beast took 25.8 seconds (vs Panda's ~0.3s). The container reports "healthy" before this cost is paid — health endpoint isn't a true readiness probe for GB10. Subsequent inferences are normal (~90ms).

4. **Describe workload tail on Beast is pathological** — p95/p50 = 2.6× vs Panda's 1.2×. Max 2177 ms on a 826 ms median. Possibly thermal throttling at sustained load, or unified-memory sync overhead on longer KV cache. Not a problem for nav (tight 88-101 ms band), but concerning for any workload generating 50+ tokens.

5. **Schema adherence is identical** — 100% strategy-1 parse on both, 0 `<think>` leaks. Quality is architecture-independent; the speed delta is hardware.

6. **VRAM footprint 0.6 GB higher on Beast** — same model, same flags, slightly different CUDA kernel selection or KV cache layout. Not load-bearing.

### Architectural takeaway

**For small-model high-rate inference (nav, classification, single-word outputs), discrete GPU beats unified memory.** Beast/Titan (DGX Spark GB10) is the wrong platform for Panda's nav VLM workload — it would cut throughput in half for no quality gain. Panda's RTX 5070 Ti is the right home for E2B/E4B nav inference; Titan/Beast earn their keep on large-model workloads (Titan's 26B NVFP4 uses 15.7 GB and benefits from the 128 GB pool for long context / high concurrency).

### Raw JSON outputs

- `benchmark-results/e4b-beast-2026-04-15/gemma4-e4b-q4km-nav-20260414_231624.json` (nav 20 samples)
- `benchmark-results/e4b-beast-2026-04-15/gemma4-e4b-q4km-nav-20260414_231704.json` (nav 100 samples — canonical)
- `benchmark-results/e4b-beast-2026-04-15/gemma4-e4b-q4km-describe-20260414_231643.json` (describe 20 samples)

### Gotchas discovered on Beast

1. **llama.cpp-cuda image has an arm64 variant** (`docker manifest inspect` confirmed). No source build required. Pulls 1.1 GB on first use.
2. **Cold-start is 25 s on GB10, not 3 s like Panda.** Health endpoint returns 200 before the model is actually ready. Add a warm-up inference before benchmarking on unified-memory hardware.
3. **`ssh panda → ssh beast` works direct** (Panda has Beast's SSH key). Enabled weight scp panda→beast without laptop round-trip — 3 min for 5.6 GB at ~31 MB/s LAN speed.
4. **RESOURCE-REGISTRY:210 drift resolved** — `vllm-nemotron-super` had been idle (no API traffic) since 2026-04-06 03:15 UTC, matching session 449's "Beast freed" claim. Misread of `04-06` timestamps in Gate 1 made it look live; verified idle via `docker stats` (NetIO 0B, CPU 4%). Container retired this session per user direction.

### Gotchas discovered during benchmark

1. **`hf` CLI is NOT on `$PATH` in non-interactive SSH sessions** — lives in `~/workplace/her/her-os/.venv/bin/hf`. Must `source .venv/bin/activate` first. MEMORY.md session 103 warned `hf` may not exist post-huggingface_hub 1.4 — it exists but behind venv activation.
2. **Chatterbox endpoint is `/v1/tts`, not `/synthesize`** — auth via `X-Internal-Token` header, not `Authorization: Bearer`. Returns raw int16 PCM (24kHz mono), not a WAV container. Plan's smoke test command was wrong; corrected in this session.
3. **E4B `panda-llamacpp-e4b` cold-start was 3 seconds**, not the 60-180 seconds the plan reserved — weights were OS-page-cached from the download moments earlier. Don't assume 180 s cold-start unless the container is genuinely post-reboot.
4. **Passwordless sudo not configured on Panda** for `panda-llamacpp` systemd unit (unit doesn't exist — it's a Docker container). Plan fallback path (`docker stop panda-llamacpp`) worked cleanly.

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## Base model facts (google/gemma-4-E4B-it)

- **Effective params:** 4.5B (8B with embeddings)
- **Layers:** 42 transformer layers, hybrid attention
- **Vocab:** 262,144 tokens (same as other Gemma 4 sizes)
- **Context:** 128K tokens
- **Vision encoder:** ~150M params (image-text-to-text)
- **Audio encoder:** ~300M params (USM-style Conformer, 40ms frames, 30-sec max input)
- **Video:** 60 sec max at 1 fps (frame-sequence mode)
- **Thinking mode:** Optional via `<|think|>` token (disable for nav — see infrastructure memory)
- **Sampling params (Google-recommended):** temperature=1.0, top_p=0.95, top_k=64

### Google's published benchmarks (unquantized E4B-it, FP16)

| Benchmark | Score |
|-----------|------:|
| MMLU Pro | 69.4% |
| MMMU Pro (Vision) | 52.6% |
| AIME 2026 (no tools) | 42.5% |
| LiveCodeBench v6 | 52.0% |
| GPQA Diamond | 58.6% |
| MATH-Vision | 59.5% |
| MMMLU | 76.6% |
| MRCR v2 128k | 25.4% |
| CoVoST (audio translation) | 35.54 |
| FLEURS (audio recognition) | 0.08 |

Community 4-bit variants do NOT publish separate benchmark numbers. Expected degradation:
- **Q4_K_M, NVFP4, W4A16**: ~0.5-2% drop from FP16
- **bnb-4bit**: ~3-5% drop (less sophisticated quantization recipe)
- **Q3_K_M**: ~3-6% drop (3-bit weights)

For nav (1-token action decisions), these deltas are likely below the noise floor — benchmark on *your* task to confirm.

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## TL;DR

- **GGUF Q4_K_M** (`unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF`): 4.98 GB + mmproj 990 MB = **~6 GB**. Drop-in for current llama-server stack. Fits alongside voice pipeline with ~1.5 GB headroom.
- **NVFP4** (`ollama gemma4:e4b-nvfp4` or `cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4`): **~9.6-10.2 GB**. Blackwell-native FP4 tensor cores (2× throughput of generic INT4). **Does NOT fit on Panda** alongside phone_call.py (5.2 GB) + Chatterbox (3.6 GB). Would need voice pipeline reshape.
- **bnb-4bit trap**: `unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-unsloth-bnb-4bit` advertises 4-6 GB but is actually **10.84 GB** (vision+audio encoders + embeddings + LM head stay in FP16). Same pattern as E2B OOM incident in session 67.
- **Benchmark complete (session 104, 2026-04-14)**: Q4_K_M measures at **47.9 ms p50 / 20.9 Hz**, 4.76 GB live VRAM, 100% nav schema adherence, describe output qualitatively better than E2B. Viable for Panda adoption. Full results in "Measured benchmark results" section above.

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## Complete inventory of E4B 4-bit variants

### Blackwell-native (RTX 5070 Ti optimal — SM 12.0, 5th-gen Tensor Cores with hardware FP4)

**Hardware confirmation:** RTX 5070 Ti uses GB203-300 Blackwell die, compute capability 12.0, 5th-gen Tensor Cores with native FP4/FP6/FP8 support. NVFP4 is hardware-accelerated (~2× FP8 throughput per NVIDIA's own FLUX.1 benchmarks).


| Source | Size | Stack | Vision? | Downloads |
|--------|-----:|-------|---------|----------:|
| Ollama `gemma4:e4b-nvfp4` | ~9.6 GB | Ollama ≥0.12 | Yes (bundled) | N/A |
| [cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4](https://huggingface.co/cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4) | 10.20 GB single safetensors | vLLM 0.8+, TensorRT-LLM, ModelOpt | Yes (full multimodal retained) | **13.5K** |
| [prithivMLmods/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4](https://huggingface.co/prithivMLmods/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4) | 11.54 GB single safetensors | vLLM (compressed-tensors) | Yes | 885 |

NVFP4 uses Blackwell's native FP4 tensor cores. Precedent in her-os stack: 26B NVFP4 already running on Titan (Gemma 4 26B NVFP4, port 8003). Both use the NVIDIA ModelOpt / compressed-tensors recipe.

### GGUF (llama.cpp / llama-server — current Panda production stack)

| Source | Q4_K_M size | mmproj? | Notes |
|--------|------------:|---------|-------|
| [unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) | 4.98 GB | Yes (990 MB F16) | 1.15M downloads — most popular |
| [ggml-org/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/ggml-org/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) | 5.34 GB | Yes | llama.cpp reference repo |
| [bartowski/google_gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/bartowski/google_gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) | 5.41 GB | **NO** (text-only) | 23 quant variants |
| [lmstudio-community/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/lmstudio-community/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) | 5.34 GB (mirror) | Yes | LM Studio's official mirror |

**Unsloth full quant menu (all include mmproj-F16.gguf 990 MB for vision):**

| File | Size | Notes |
|------|------:|-------|
| Q4_K_M | 4.98 GB | Standard 4-bit recommended |
| Q4_K_S | 4.84 GB | Smaller 4-bit |
| Q4_0 | 4.84 GB | Simpler 4-bit (older format) |
| Q4_1 | 5.07 GB | Alternative 4-bit |
| IQ4_NL | 4.84 GB | Importance-weighted 4-bit (non-linear) |
| IQ4_XS | 4.72 GB | Extra small 4-bit |
| UD-Q4_K_XL | 5.10 GB | **Unsloth Dynamic 2.0** — higher-quality layers kept at higher precision, SOTA per Unsloth |
| Q3_K_M | 4.06 GB | 3-bit (more aggressive, lower quality) |
| Q5_K_M | 5.48 GB | 5-bit (higher quality, bigger) |
| Q6_K | 7.07 GB | 6-bit (near-lossless) |
| Q8_0 | 8.19 GB | 8-bit |
| BF16 | 15.1 GB | Full precision |

Unsloth also ships 8 UD variants (UD-IQ2_M through UD-Q8_K_XL) using their Dynamic 2.0 recipe.

### W4A16 GPTQ (vLLM-compatible)

| Source | Size | Notes |
|--------|-----:|-------|
| [ciocan/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16](https://huggingface.co/ciocan/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16) | 10.08 GB | Multimodal |
| [Vishva007/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16-AutoRound](https://huggingface.co/Vishva007/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16-AutoRound) | 10.04 GB | AutoRound recipe |
| [cooperdk/gemma-4-E4B-it-heretic-GPTQ-4bit](https://huggingface.co/cooperdk/gemma-4-E4B-it-heretic-GPTQ-4bit) | 10.08 GB | Abliterated/uncensored |

### BitsAndBytes (bnb-4bit — the trap)

| Source | **Actual size** | Claimed size | Stack |
|--------|----------------:|-------------:|-------|
| [unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-unsloth-bnb-4bit](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-unsloth-bnb-4bit) | **10.84 GB** | 4-6 GB | transformers + bitsandbytes |

Why the gap: NF4 quantizes only transformer linear weights. Vision encoder (~150M), audio encoder (~300M), 262K-vocab embedding table, and LM head all stay FP16/BF16. Same trap as E2B OOM in session 67 with vLLM.

### Apple Silicon — MLX 4-bit (why these don't apply to Panda)

MLX is Apple's ML framework for M1/M2/M3/M4 chips. MLX models use Metal GPU API + unified memory — there is **no MLX runtime for NVIDIA GPUs**. An MLX `.safetensors` file won't load in transformers/vLLM/llama.cpp. These are same-quality reissues of the GGUF/bnb weights, just re-packaged for Apple hardware. Listed here for completeness so future sessions don't reconsider:

- [unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-UD-MLX-4bit](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-UD-MLX-4bit) — Unsloth Dynamic 4-bit, MLX format
- `mlx-community/gemma-4-e4b-it-4bit`, `mlx-community/gemma-4-e4b-4bit`
- `mlx-community/gemma-4-e4b-it-OptiQ-4bit` — OptiQ quantization recipe
- `EZCon/gemma-4-E4B-it-4bit-g32-mxfp4-mixed_4_8-mlx` — MXFP4 mixed precision (experimental)
- `majentik/gemma-4-E4B-TurboQuant-MLX-4bit`, `majentik/gemma-4-E4B-RotorQuant-MLX-4bit` — emerging quant formats
- Plus ~10 more from `NexVeridian`, `deadbydawn101`, `Siarhei`, `jorch`, etc.

**If her-os ever adds an M4 Mac node**, these become the right choice for that machine.

### Intel / other (irrelevant for Panda)

- `circulus/gemma-4-E4B-it-ov-awq` — OpenVINO only
- `tiggychan/gemma-4-E4B-it-uncensored-mnn-int4` — Alibaba MNN (mobile)
- `litert-community/gemma-4-E4B-it-litert-lm` — Google LiteRT edge runtime

### Specialty / exotic formats (low priority but documented)

- [tiggychan/gemma-4-E4B-it-uncensored-mnn-int4](https://huggingface.co/tiggychan/gemma-4-E4B-it-uncensored-mnn-int4) — Alibaba MNN mobile runtime
- [litert-community/gemma-4-E4B-it-litert-lm](https://huggingface.co/litert-community/gemma-4-E4B-it-litert-lm) — Google's LiteRT edge runtime
- `majentik/gemma-4-E4B-turboquant` — TurboQuant (emerging format, claims ~4× active memory reduction)
- `shadowlilac/gemma-4-e4b-mtp-extraction-effort` — Multi-token prediction experimental
- `prithivMLmods/gemma-4-E4B-it-Uncensored-MAX-GGUF` — Abliterated GGUF fork
- `Abiray/gemma-4-E4B-Gemini-3.1-Pro-Reasoning-Distill-GGUF` — Reasoning-distilled Q4 GGUF (distilled from Gemini 3.1 Pro)
- Plus ~10 more "heretic"/abliterated forks from `TrevorJS`, `mradermacher`, `DuoNeural`, `NullpoLab`, `Stabhappy`, `Handyfff`, etc.

### Ollama size note (don't be fooled)

Ollama's `gemma4:e4b` tag (alias for `e4b-it-q4_K_M`) reports **9.61 GB**, but the raw GGUF Q4_K_M is only ~5.3 GB. The extra ~4 GB is because Ollama bundles into one blob:
- Main model weights (Q4_K_M, ~5.3 GB)
- mmproj vision projector (~990 MB BF16)
- Audio encoder (~1-2 GB)
- Unquantized embedding table (262K vocab × d_model stays FP16)

When serving via llama-server with separate `--mmproj` flag, actual VRAM = model + mmproj only (no audio encoder since llama.cpp doesn't support audio input yet). That's why the Unsloth Q4_K_M + mmproj-F16 = ~6 GB, not 9.6 GB.

### Confirmed absent

- **EXL2 / EXL3** — turboderp has gemma-4 26B-A4B and 31B EXL3 but **no E4B** (verified by exhaustive search)
- **AQLM, HQQ, SpQR** — none for E4B specifically
- **Google official QAT or NVFP4** — no `google/*` quantized E4B. Unlike Gemma 3 which shipped with `gemma-3-12b-it-qat-q4_0-gguf` from Google itself, Gemma 4 E4B has no official quant — all are community-made
- **NVIDIA NIM / TensorRT-LLM prebuilt** — not published yet
- **RedHatAI / neuralmagic W4A16 for E4B** — they have `gemma-3n-E4B-it-quantized.w4a16` (older 3n line) but no gemma-4 E4B yet (worth watching — likely coming)

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## Panda VRAM math

| Service | VRAM |
|---------|-----:|
| phone_call.py (Whisper + IndicConformer + Kokoro) | 5,158 MB |
| Chatterbox TTS | 3,654 MB |
| **Subtotal (non-optional)** | **8,812 MB** |
| Panda RTX 5070 Ti total | 16,303 MB |
| **Available for nav VLM** | **7,491 MB** |

| Variant | VRAM | Fits? | Headroom |
|---------|-----:|:-----:|---------:|
| E2B Q4_K_M (current) | 3,227 MB | ✅ | 4,264 MB |
| **E4B Q4_K_M + mmproj-F16** | **~5,970 MB** | ✅ | **~1,521 MB** |
| E4B IQ4_XS + mmproj-F16 | ~5,710 MB | ✅ | ~1,781 MB |
| E4B Q3_K_M + mmproj-F16 | ~5,050 MB | ✅ | ~2,441 MB |
| E4B NVFP4 (Ollama) | ~9,600 MB | ❌ | -2,109 MB |
| E4B bnb-4bit (actual) | ~10,840 MB | ❌ | -3,349 MB |

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## Recommendation for Panda

### Bottom line: **Benchmark E4B Q4_K_M GGUF, but don't commit to swapping from E2B yet.**

The reasoning has three layers:

#### Layer 1 — What's feasible (narrow shortlist)

Of the ~40 E4B 4-bit variants I found, only **three** genuinely work on Panda today:

| Variant | VRAM | Why it's on the shortlist |
|---------|-----:|---------------------------|
| **Unsloth Q4_K_M + mmproj-F16** | ~6.0 GB | Drop-in for current llama-server stack. 1.5 GB headroom. |
| Unsloth IQ4_XS + mmproj-F16 | ~5.7 GB | Fallback if Q4_K_M's headroom proves too thin in practice |
| Unsloth UD-Q4_K_XL + mmproj-F16 | ~6.1 GB | "Best quality at 4-bit" per Unsloth — worth comparing if quality-first |

NVFP4 is architecturally optimal but physically impossible on Panda's 16 GB alongside the voice pipeline. W4A16 GPTQ is a different inference stack (vLLM, not llama-server) and doesn't fit anyway (~10 GB).

#### Layer 2 — Is E4B worth the swap at all? (The harder question)

Current E2B on Panda: **18.4 ms p50 / 54 Hz**. That's ~3× faster than the robot's mechanical motor settle time (50-250 ms). The robot is not latency-starved — you could afford a 2-3× slowdown.

The real question is whether E4B is **smarter**. We have one data point: session 92's explorer dashboard kept saying "FORWARD" into walls with E2B. The theory that "bigger model = better spatial reasoning" is plausible but unproven. Alternative theories worth considering before a model swap:

1. **Prompt engineering gap** — the nav prompt doesn't inject lidar distances as text. Adding `"LIDAR: front=200mm, left=450mm, right=180mm"` may fix the wall-collision problem at E2B quality, no model change needed
2. **Single-frame ambiguity** — a stereo/depth channel or optical flow between frames would give more signal than a bigger model on one monocular frame
3. **Specialized > bigger** — a small model fine-tuned on nav data (LeRobot, OpenVLA) may beat a generic bigger VLM

**My read:** the E2B failure mode is likely prompt + data, not parameter count. But the only way to know is to benchmark.

#### Layer 3 — Recommended course of action

**Step 1 (low risk, high information):** Download Unsloth Q4_K_M + mmproj on Panda, launch a SECOND llama-server on port 11436 alongside the existing E2B on 11435. Run `scripts/benchmark_nav_rate_llamacpp.py` adapted for port 11436. Check VRAM footprint actually matches the math. Measure p50 latency.

**Step 2 (quality test):** Point `tools/explore-dashboard.py` at the E4B endpoint temporarily. Drive the same room that failed in session 92. Count wall-collision decisions vs. E2B under the same conditions.

**Step 3 (decide):**
- If p50 ≤ 40 ms AND wall-collisions drop measurably → swap production nav VLM to E4B
- If p50 ≤ 40 ms but wall-collisions don't drop → keep E2B, investigate prompt engineering
- If p50 > 60 ms OR VRAM is unstable → keep E2B, shelve E4B

**Step 4 (cleanup):** Regardless of outcome, stop the port-11436 instance. Don't leave both running — they'll fight for VRAM under load.

### The NVFP4 future — unlocked IF Chatterbox moves to CPU

**UPDATE (session 101, same day):** The NVFP4 path is NOT a 2027 concern — it is reachable on today's Panda if Chatterbox TTS (3.6 GB VRAM) can run on CPU with acceptable latency. See **[RESEARCH-CHATTERBOX-CPU-BENCHMARK.md](./RESEARCH-CHATTERBOX-CPU-BENCHMARK.md)**.

If Chatterbox CPU is viable:
- Free 3.6 GB VRAM → 11.1 GB available for nav VLM
- NVFP4 E4B (~10 GB) fits with ~1 GB headroom
- Hardware FP4 tensor cores: ~2× FP8 throughput on Blackwell
- Likely outcome: 100+ Hz nav decisions on E4B (vs current 54 Hz on E2B)
- `cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4` (13.5K downloads) is the drop-in target for vLLM

**Decision ordering:**
1. First, benchmark Chatterbox CPU (separate research doc above)
2. If CPU-viable → deploy NVFP4 E4B (not Q4_K_M — go straight to the hardware-optimal path)
3. If CPU-not-viable → fall back to Q4_K_M GGUF plan documented in this file

### What's explicitly NOT recommended

- **bnb-4bit** — the 10.84 GB real size is a known OOM trap (MEMORY.md session 67)
- **Ollama** for nav VLM — 110 ms Go-wrapper overhead kills the 54 Hz goal (MEMORY.md infrastructure memory)
- **Downgrading to Q3_K_M** — saves 900 MB but drops quality ~3-6%. If VRAM is the problem, that's a voice-pipeline reshape conversation, not a quant choice

---

## Next steps (for actual benchmark session)

1. **Check live Panda VRAM**: `ssh panda 'nvidia-smi --query-gpu=memory.used,memory.free --format=csv'`
2. **Download E4B Q4_K_M + mmproj** on Panda:
   ```
   huggingface-cli download unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF \
     gemma-4-E4B-it-Q4_K_M.gguf mmproj-F16.gguf \
     --local-dir ~/gguf-gemma4-e4b
   ```
3. **Launch second llama-server** on port 11436 (keep E2B on 11435 for A/B):
   ```
   docker run -d --name panda-llamacpp-e4b --gpus all --network host \
     -v ~/gguf-gemma4-e4b:/models:ro \
     ghcr.io/ggml-org/llama.cpp:server-cuda \
     --model /models/gemma-4-E4B-it-Q4_K_M.gguf \
     --mmproj /models/mmproj-F16.gguf \
     --port 11436 --host 0.0.0.0 -ngl 999 --ctx-size 4096
   ```
4. **Adapt `scripts/benchmark_nav_rate_llamacpp.py`** for port 11436 / E4B
5. **Run benchmark**: same 5 configs × 20 runs as E2B baseline
6. **Compare latency**: E2B p50=18.4ms vs E4B p50=? (expect 2-3× slower due to 2× params)
7. **Compare quality**: run same nav prompt on explorer dashboard — does E4B avoid "FORWARD into walls" failure mode from session 92?

Decision criteria:
- If E4B p50 ≤ 40 ms (25 Hz) AND quality is meaningfully better → deploy
- If E4B p50 > 60 ms OR quality marginal → keep E2B

---

## Sources

- [unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) — primary candidate (GGUF)
- [cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4](https://huggingface.co/cosmicproc/gemma-4-E4B-it-NVFP4) — NVFP4 path (blocked by VRAM)
- [Ollama gemma4 library](https://ollama.com/library/gemma4) — registry with all tags incl. `e4b-nvfp4`
- [ggml-org/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF](https://huggingface.co/ggml-org/gemma-4-E4B-it-GGUF) — llama.cpp reference
- [ciocan/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16](https://huggingface.co/ciocan/gemma-4-E4B-it-W4A16) — W4A16 GPTQ
- [unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-unsloth-bnb-4bit](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-E4B-it-unsloth-bnb-4bit) — bnb trap

## Cross-references

- `docs/RESEARCH-PANDA-VLM-INFERENCE-STACK.md` — session 67 research that led to llama-server + E2B Q4_K_M
- `docs/RESEARCH-PANDA-NAV-VLM-54HZ.md` — the 54 Hz E2B achievement
- `scripts/benchmark_nav_rate_llamacpp.py` — template to adapt for E4B
- `docs/RESOURCE-REGISTRY.md` — Panda VRAM budget (must update if E4B deployed)
- `MEMORY.md` — infrastructure decision on llama-server for Panda (session 67)